Comments on: Drop in violent crime tied to immigration?

By: Darryl jones

Darryl jones — Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:55:44 +0000

http://www.timespublications.com/nov07-feature1.asp

interesting illustration of one possible side effect of placing too much of a communities resources in one basket.

By: Adrian, Adrien Hale

Adrian, Adrien Hale — Thu, 27 May 2010 12:20:16 +0000

I have heard that illegal immigration is tied to things such as human trafficking and prostitution; slavery; cruelty to animals (as in dogfighting and cockfighting, horse tripping, animal neglect, transporting horses for the purpose of slaughter, etc.); identity fraud and theft; production, distribution and sales of knockoffs of consumer items like designer goods, dvds, cds… I don’t think it is legal to work and not file or pay income taxes, or use a fake drivers license. Wadsworth chose to study robbery and murder because it was easy to get the stats. Of course, it will always be easy to get stats for existing data, what about whole new areas of crime for which there is no precedent, like id theft? Immigration or illegal immigration, may very well have a high relationship with new types of crime for which there are no statistics, such as the recent spate of horse killings in Florida and the rise of illegal slaughterhouses. These crimes may not mean much to him, but I think the victims would disagree.
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By: Stray

Stray — Wed, 26 May 2010 00:32:11 +0000

If find it funny Frenzy, that you pick on the innocuous subject of graffiti. Two things though, I find it to be vandalism, I didn’t become an adult so that I could spend my time and money repainting my house every weekend, but I discovered years ago that a well-placed baseball bat ended that problem. Second, we aren’t talking artistic expression, we’re talking about macho little Juan the gangbanger letting the world know that he’s here.

As for their crappy work I take it you weren’t around Phoenix 20 years ago when all of the builders were sued because of 6 month old houses falling apart? Foundations cracking, windows literally falling out of the walls, all sorts of fun things.

I notice though that you don’t bring up subjects like gangbangers, drive-by shootings, houses getting broke into, heinous murders (rape and dismemberment, those kind of fun things from these peaceful folks). I have personally lived through a bunch of it, call me lucky.

By: frenzy

frenzy — Tue, 25 May 2010 23:52:05 +0000

Stray, that’s a bourgeois concern. Graffiti is art, self-expression; property values are alienation: you’re not yourself; you’re a good homeowner. It’s ridiculous how there’s no middle ground here: immigrants are either okay or spawns of Satan. Ironically, this comes from descendants of immigrants who wiped out an entire continent of relatively defenseless people, half of whom were living in a freaking paradise that they were happy to share.

Nobody should ever work, but I’ve never seen “crappy sub-standard work like they are used to doing in Mexico.” Not even close, I’ve seen people busting their butts to do incredible labor. The most fun thing to do is to read hateful Web content from bigots.

By: Stray

Stray — Tue, 25 May 2010 23:21:58 +0000

issy54 – That’s a blatant lie that the bleeding hearts want you to believe. I live in a “good” neighborhood and can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to repaint over the grafiti on my house. How many times I was accosted at Circle-K by gangbangers trying to mug me (I carry a Glock, they are always most surprised when I offer them a grave instead of money). And I can’t count the number of high-paying “white” jobs (plumbers, truckers, etc.) that were replaced with Mexicans who think $7 an hour is great and employers are stupid to pay $20 or $30 an hour. For your $7 an hour you get crappy sub-standard work like they are used to doing in Mexico. One of the fun things too is buying a used car that used to belong to a Mexican and find out all of the repairs were made with bubble gum and speaker wire because they also think it’s stupid to spend $600 to fix a car correctly.

By: issy54

issy54 — Tue, 25 May 2010 14:55:06 +0000

My take on this is that areas with more immigration benefit from an enhanced economy, (more workers, more jobs, more money flowing through the economy), and a better economy means a lower crime rate. Seems obvious.

By: Ross Amans

Ross Amans — Mon, 24 May 2010 17:34:47 +0000

This report got it all wrong, and if you read it, you will only get untruths.
What dropped was REPORTED crime rates. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are less likely to report crime, as they have strong memories of their homeland police. The smart thing to do in many countries, including the US, is to avoid contact with the police if at all possible. Of course, illegal immigrants are afraid of getting arrested, so the only crimes they ever get reported involve the police finding bodies. And crime rates drop because the criminals know they can prey on people who will not report crimes, so they focus more on immigrants, especially illegals, instead of people who might report the crimes.

Studies show that only 10% of crimes, overall, are reported. And 10% of reported crimes result in an arrest, And 10% of arrests result in a conviction. These rates actually drop for insular communities, like immigrants.

Also, higher immigration means that the police are stretched more.

Gonzo above gets it right.

By: LL

LL — Sun, 23 May 2010 00:34:21 +0000

This article plays fast and loose with the term “crime.” The study was done on “violent crime,” but the generalization is stretched to “crime” several places in the article, such as this passage, “If higher rates of immigration were boosting crime rates, one would expect long-term studies to show crime rising and falling over time with the influx and exodus of immigrants. Instead, Wadsworth found the opposite.” No, Wadsworth did NOT find the opposite; he found that one sector of crime was lower and the writer falsely generalized.

By: anninarizona

anninarizona — Sat, 22 May 2010 15:27:04 +0000

Two additional points: LEGAL immigrants have undergone background checks as part of the visa/green card application process, which makes them more likely to be law-abiding folks than the average American citizen in their demographic; and they are aware that violating any law makes them vulnerable to deportation. This is why it is CRUCIAL for everyone in this debate to distinguish between the legal and illegal immigrant. And why the left seeks to obfuscate the distinction at every opportunity.

By: Stray

Stray — Fri, 21 May 2010 17:43:41 +0000

Whoever wrote this is sadly mistaken (I prefer though to call him an idiot). Those of us who live out here know better. Then illegal or not, we have this garbage to put up with:

http://www.streetgangs.com/news/092809_babyshooting

And to Kete, Wahhh!