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	<title>Comments on: Consumer-grade camera detects cancer cells</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13796</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This and many other contrbutions opens up debate on pricing of medical equipment. Parties involved include the electronic components manufacturers (ECM),  medical equipment manufacturers (MEM) and medical technology licensing (MDL) bodies such as FDA. 

1. At the ECM level, electronics is graded for consumer, industrial, military and medical use. What informs this grading system? I guess medical and military grade electronics is priced higher, why?. 
2. At ECM level how is the final price computed? This is important noting that some manufacturers have agreed to package low cost version of their equipment for certain target market mostly based on &#039;technical economics (TE)&#039;. Based on my experience in industry, TE involves finding a suitable low priced substitute that will not compromise functionality/performance inorder to bring down the price of the final product. In the case of the present article  TE would be realised by using a consumer grade camera in place of the expensive medical grade canera. Te most obvious question is what is being sacrified in terms of functionality and performance?
3. Licensing comes at a cost and it is only natural for any business to try and recover the licensing expenses. Can licensing be achieved cheaply and if so how?

This is a challenging debate since both medical and military technologies concerns life and death.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This and many other contrbutions opens up debate on pricing of medical equipment. Parties involved include the electronic components manufacturers (ECM),  medical equipment manufacturers (MEM) and medical technology licensing (MDL) bodies such as FDA. </p>
<p>1. At the ECM level, electronics is graded for consumer, industrial, military and medical use. What informs this grading system? I guess medical and military grade electronics is priced higher, why?.<br />
2. At ECM level how is the final price computed? This is important noting that some manufacturers have agreed to package low cost version of their equipment for certain target market mostly based on &#8216;technical economics (TE)&#8217;. Based on my experience in industry, TE involves finding a suitable low priced substitute that will not compromise functionality/performance inorder to bring down the price of the final product. In the case of the present article  TE would be realised by using a consumer grade camera in place of the expensive medical grade canera. Te most obvious question is what is being sacrified in terms of functionality and performance?<br />
3. Licensing comes at a cost and it is only natural for any business to try and recover the licensing expenses. Can licensing be achieved cheaply and if so how?</p>
<p>This is a challenging debate since both medical and military technologies concerns life and death.</p>
<p>Comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pierce</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13776</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warner - We use a 1 millimeter diameter fiber optic cable to transmit an image from the tissue site (inside the mouth in this case) to the object plane of our camera system.  We replaced the Olympus camera&#039;s traditional lens with our own lenses to optically magnify the image of the fiber optic by 19.5x onto the image sensor.

Mark Pierce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warner &#8211; We use a 1 millimeter diameter fiber optic cable to transmit an image from the tissue site (inside the mouth in this case) to the object plane of our camera system.  We replaced the Olympus camera&#8217;s traditional lens with our own lenses to optically magnify the image of the fiber optic by 19.5x onto the image sensor.</p>
<p>Mark Pierce</p>
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		<title>By: Warner Anderson MD</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13755</link>
		<dc:creator>Warner Anderson MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But are you using optical microscopy in the light path, or are you somehow using the camera&#039;s or other electronic means to magnify the field?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But are you using optical microscopy in the light path, or are you somehow using the camera&#8217;s or other electronic means to magnify the field?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pierce</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13740</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments - to briefly respond to each:

Jen - We are carrying out studies using this imaging system with clinicians specializing in oral cancer, cervical cancer, esophageal cancer, and colon cancer.  By building up a larger collection of images with independent diagnosis made by traditional pathology methods, we hope to establish the characteristic differences in cell size and shape between normal tissue and cancer.

Jerry - This system has a field of view of 0.75 mm diameter.  The size of a typical cell that we are looking at is approzimately 0.03-0.05 mm.  If you look at figure 4 in the PLoS article (the link is above), hopefully you can see the difference between normal and cancer cells.  Cell nuclei appear as small green dots in the images.  In normal tissue, the cell nuclei are small and well spaced apart.  In cancerous tissue, nuclei tend to become larger and more crowded together.

Ken - As I mentioned in my reply to Jen, we are currently carrying out larger studies with this system to establish its diagnostic performance in several different cancer types.  Hopefully it will be in the hands of the pathologist soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments &#8211; to briefly respond to each:</p>
<p>Jen &#8211; We are carrying out studies using this imaging system with clinicians specializing in oral cancer, cervical cancer, esophageal cancer, and colon cancer.  By building up a larger collection of images with independent diagnosis made by traditional pathology methods, we hope to establish the characteristic differences in cell size and shape between normal tissue and cancer.</p>
<p>Jerry &#8211; This system has a field of view of 0.75 mm diameter.  The size of a typical cell that we are looking at is approzimately 0.03-0.05 mm.  If you look at figure 4 in the PLoS article (the link is above), hopefully you can see the difference between normal and cancer cells.  Cell nuclei appear as small green dots in the images.  In normal tissue, the cell nuclei are small and well spaced apart.  In cancerous tissue, nuclei tend to become larger and more crowded together.</p>
<p>Ken &#8211; As I mentioned in my reply to Jen, we are currently carrying out larger studies with this system to establish its diagnostic performance in several different cancer types.  Hopefully it will be in the hands of the pathologist soon.</p>
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		<title>By: KEN LEVY</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13739</link>
		<dc:creator>KEN LEVY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How soon will this be in the hands of the pathologist? So I can be spared over or under treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon will this be in the hands of the pathologist? So I can be spared over or under treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does a view of this diameter distinguish individual cells</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does a view of this diameter distinguish individual cells</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.futurity.org/science-technology/consumer-grade-camera-detects-cancer-cells/comment-page-1/#comment-13706</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested to know what kind(s) of cancer this applies to.  How are they identified?  By eye or through some shape/color recognition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested to know what kind(s) of cancer this applies to.  How are they identified?  By eye or through some shape/color recognition?</p>
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