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Kids raised by gay parents are ‘doing just fine’

BOSTON U. (US) — Three decades of research suggest that kids of gay parents are faring well, a new report argues.

When the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage recently, Justice Antonin Scalia claimed that experts debate whether same-sex parents are bad for children.

“There’s considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences are of raising a child in a . . . single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not,” Scalia declared.

“Many studies have demonstrated that children’s well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents’ sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents,” Benjamin Siegel, a Boston University School of Medicine professor of pediatrics, and co-authors write in a report published by the American Academy of Pediatrics the week before the court case.

Two million American children

Siegel acknowledges the limits of all this research: none of the studies has been a randomized, controlled trial—the Holy Grail of scientific investigation—and all studies of gay parenting are necessarily small, since there aren’t many gay parents. The report cites estimates that gay couples and single parents are raising almost two million American children.

Those caveats notwithstanding, “the preponderance of evidence” says Scalia’s fears are groundless, Siegel says. Does he expect the report to influence either the high court or state legislatures debating gay marriage and adoption? “That’s my hope,” he says, “and I must say, it’s not a political hope. It’s a scientific hope.  That it will put an end to questioning that people who are homosexual cannot raise children or be foster or adoptive parents.”

The best study so far, Siegel says, is the National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, begun in 1986. The study has followed 154 lesbian mothers and recently checked in on 78 adolescent children, comparing the mothers’ and kids’ self-reported status against national standardized samples.

The lesbian mothers’ reports of their children “indicated that they had high levels of social, school/academic, and total competence and fewer social problems, rule-breaking, and aggressive and externalizing behavior compared with their age-matched counterparts,” Siegel’s report notes.

If you might expect parents to say that, consider their kids’ testimony: “The self-reported quality of life of the adolescents in this sample was similar to that reported by a comparable sample of adolescents with heterosexual parents.”

Siegel and his coauthor’s report also cites three studies done in the United States and Europe—two involving lesbian mothers and the third one involving men and women whose adult children reported they’d had a parent involved in a same-sex relationship. Those studies similarly found no difference in outcomes for the children as compared with children of heterosexual parents.

Stigma and bias

A dissenting Australian study interviewed teachers of 58 children who’d been raised variously by married heterosexuals, unmarried heterosexuals living together, and gay parents living together. Even that study found mixed results (the children of gay parents did more poorly in language and math, but better in social studies and attitudes toward learning, for example).

Moreover, most children in the study wound up with gay parents because their straight birth parents had divorced, “potentially adding to the children’s stress,” Siegel writes. And the Australian researchers suggested the gay couples’ children “were severely stigmatized in their schools and communities,” adding stress.

Siegel cites another antigay parenting study by a University of Texas researcher that has also been criticized for its methodology. The researcher compared children in happy heterosexual marriages with children whose parents divorced after a gay affair. The researcher has admitted that his scientific work and Catholic faith are inseparable; Catholic teaching denounces homosexual acts as sinful.

A university investigation cleared the researcher of scientific misconduct while sidestepping the question of flawed methods, leaving it “to debates that are currently under way in the academy.”

Source: Boston University

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  1. Jean-Jacques Burlamaqui

    Same-sex marriage is an injustice, a tyrannical ploy being perpetrated upon our society, the pernicious consequences of which are simply mocked and laughed at by its supporters. Ignorance and prejudice have taken the place of knowledge and reason. Caprice and passion substituted for prudence and virtue. The happiness of society, the good of all families, and the welfare of mankind fall victim to the injustice of selfish love, which calculates every thing for itself while taking no notice of a child’s best interest or the public advantage of a government promoting ONLY the traditional family unit.

    Same-sex marriage is antithetical to the Rule of Law, for the principle object of laws in general is to correct bad inclinations, to prevent vicious habits, to hinder their effects, and to eradicate the passions; or at least to contain them within proper limits. Same-sex marriage makes an implicit statement that mothers and fathers are interchangeable, and that sex is irrelevant to parenting. Once same-sex marriage becomes legally and socially acceptable, more women will decide to raise children together. Teen aged boys without fathers are at risk for juvenile delinquency, violence, criminal activity, gang membership, and incarceration. Teen aged girls without fathers are at risk for early sexual activity, multiple sex partners, out of wedlock pregnancies, and sexually transmitted disease.

    Same-sex marriage is perfectly contrary to the principle of marriage, having more resemblance to divorce and adultery, same-sex marriage purposely separates a child from at least one biological parent, thereby creating broken homes, not as a matter of extraordinary circumstances, but as routine. Same-sex marriage proponents callously ignore a child’s Natural Right to know, and be raised by, both biological parents, and make the most preposterous and pretentious claim that marriage was instituted by civil society primarily for the benefit of any two loving adults. Take away Natural Laws, and that moral tie which supports justice and honesty in a whole nation and establishes also particular duties in families, or in other relations of life; and man becomes the most savage and ferocious of all animals,licentiousness becomes the consequence of independence.

    After what has been said, let us be satisfied with observing, that the fitness in favor of the sanction of traditional marriage, is so much stronger and more pressing, as same-sex marriage throws into the system of humanity an obscurity and confusion, which borders on very much upon the absurd, if it does not come quite close up to it. There is, certainly, no comparison between traditional marriage and same-sex marriage, in respect to beauty and fitness; the first is a work of the most perfect reason; the second is defective, and provides no manner of remedy against a great many disorders. Now even this alone points out sufficiently on which side the truth lies and to reject this thought leads us insensibly to a kind of pyrrhonism, which would also be a subversion of the Rule of Law and social order.

    Here are two truths regarding marriage: (1) A man creating a family with another man is not equal to creating a family with a woman, and (2) denying children parents of both genders at home is an objective evil. Kids need and yearn for both.

    Children are not pets one purchases from rescue shelters(adoption clinics) and puppy mills(insemination and surrogacy). Children are human beings endowed with a natural desire to be procreated from an engendered act of love between a husband and a wife. Same-sex marriage is adulterous by nature and thereby destructive to not only children, but to our civilization.

    Same-sex marriage disregards the natural order of procreatory responsibility, not only confusing the natural disposition of parental authority; but undermining the legal principle that children have a right to a relationship with their biological parents, depriving a child access to their biological parent’s genetic, cultural and social heritage, not for extraordinary circumstances, but as a matter of routine. Same-sex marriage amounts to institutionalized adultery through a hostile takeover of civil society by the State. Children will no longer be entitled to their biological parents, as the transitory wants of same-sex adults will have taken precedence over a child’s best interest.

    Same-sex marriage PURPOSELY separates a child from at least one biological parent. Non-biological parents lack the advantage of consanguineous insight leaving them all too often ill-prepared to protect the child from unforeseen hazards. Left unrecognized and unattended, vicious habits, and irregular passions, obfuscate the mind; and neglect, levity, and prejudices of the ill-equipped non-biological parents precipitate a child into the grossest of errors, rendering the child’s conduct a burden to the happiness of both society and the life of the child.

    Same-sex marriage proponents demand “Marriage Equality”, yet, in return, they offer less-than-equal protection of the child’s happiness than can be afforded through the presence of both biological parents.

    Same-sex marriage proponents profess that it is love which gives the right to join the institution of marriage, yet, in doing so, they selfishly violate the principle loving objective of this noble institution; to protect a child’s Natural Right to be raised by both biological parents.

    In fine, same-sex marriage surmounts to nothing more than an unnatural extravagance which the supporters most ignorantly claim to be a “right”.

    “No one has a right to do that which, if everybody did it, would destroy society.” —Immanuel Kant

  2. Scott Burrow

    Your words are as beautifully written as they are unenlightened, bigoted, and hateful nonsense. It’s obvious the bible is a big influence of yours. It’s a shame that someone educated in today’s world can be so shackled by the imaginations of people who had such a limited understanding of natural laws. I pity you far more than the backwoods rednecks that you mimic because you could have achieved so much more. Religion is a virus. A cancer. I feel sorry for you

  3. Ed

    In defence of the first person, his point on the effect on children without their farther or mother on their behaviour and social development is well noted in science. However, this absence of either biological parent is apparent in remarriage not just gay marriage. My main issue with the whole debate is why do homosexual people have to strive for “marriage” if they are given all the benefits that a marriage brings in civil society why when it is abhorred by virtually every religion, where it originates from do they still want it. I mean they are married in all but the religious sense who really cares or are they just fighting to get exposed.

    PS it is probably very politiclly incorrect but in reaction to your comments about shackling, religion and today’s society. It could be equall argued that we shackled by political correctness and liberal ideology in the western world. An eminent researcher, recently showed from their research that one of the prime factors determining the likelihood of homosexuality was the environment experienced in the womb being perturbed from the norm. If this is the case and homosexuality is a result of chemical and hormonal over or under exposure in the womb that would suggest it is not a normal state but a condition that could be rectified!

    Pps. I really could not care about people’s sexual orientation. That is their business.

  4. J

    Wow, this article is so biased. It’s clear that the author, too, has political aspirations for his “study” when he says he/she hopes to influence the Supreme Court decision, claiming only for “scientific” reasons. Not casting a wider net on randomized sample is the main problem of this and many other studies that find similar conclusions. However, when the Regnerus study which actually sampled a much larger, more diverse sample of families (not just those that were divorced, as claimed even by this article, but as many as they could find!), and is actually published in a peer-reviewed journal, this article solely relies on the author and those supporting the same views and labels it as “antigay” and treats it as invalid.
    Regnerus was CLEARED of supefluous claims by some “scientist” that didn’t like the results of the study! Stop acting as if you are objective and scientific when you dismiss opposing viewpoints on some trivial grounds and support politically motivated (yes, the other studies were very much politically motivated, and just because Regnerus lives his religion, you claim as if his findings stem from his beliefs) studies to promote your viewpoint.
    Don’t claim sole ownership of objectivity and science when you support LGBT promoting studies and dismiss others as not. Futurity should be about science, not promotion of political viewpoints without the other side being heard. Articles like these really diminish the quality of “science” being published here.

  5. Common Sense

    It’s ideal for a teenage boy to have a stable, close, daily relationship with a man to help him grow into manhood. I think it’s good for a teenage girl to have the same to come to know ‘men’ in a structured, safe, loving environment. And vice versa.

    The fact that intelligent people ignore this leads me to believe our society is doomed.

  6. christos victor

    I believe the article indicates these studies are anecdotal since they are not statistically significant and similar, if not the same as speculation. Look up that famous scam the “gay gene”, in 2005 Scientific American acknowledged it has never been scientifically proven. No one but cares about my sexual interest or preferences… Frankly I find all this boring and wonder what causes people to declare themselves to the world like this. I believe after careful study (I have two degrees in science and worked in research for a decade) that this is mostly about manipulation of public opinion.

    Finally the second commenter illustrates ignorance by simply dismissing religious knowledge. It leads one to question why they are so vocal, rude and dismissive of a form of knowledge which attempts to understand reality to those things which will not yield to other methods like sciences. By that measure, that only science is real then all study of history, arts, philosophy, etc should be discarded as well. This is obviously absurd, and so is discounting religious and in my opinion Christian teaching like the sermon on the mount, etc. In fact a brief survey of history will show far more people have been murdered by so-called scientific regimes and wars caused by the Nazis, Communists, etc. than by misguided application of religion. So let us be reasoned and speak with integrity and not bias.

  7. Brandon H

    He hopes to make a change on a “scientific” reason in the same way that scientists disproved the belief that women had the mental capacity to vote and there was no scientific reason for segregation. He hopes to end a bigoted religiously-motivated unfounded belief that has so far structured our laws on this matter. Furthermore, I’d personally take the entire argument a step further and claim that anyone wishing to press their religious beliefs or morals on others through law is, by definition, UN-AMERICAN. We founded this country to escape religious persecution. America is defined by its freedoms, not its bigots. Unfortunately, if you don’t live in America, all you hear about are the bigots and extremists. We have revently had a presidential candidate who lived on a piece of land he named “nigger ranch,” have been the last to allow civil rights changes (like ending slavery, segregation, & the female vote to name a few), have been the only post-industrialized country which is still in power to all-but-complete the task of genocide (Native Americans). These dark spots on our past and current morons on their political pulpits, like the eloquently uneducated douchebag preaching on the first post, give this country and citizens a bad reputation the world-over. Besides that, ask a kid who’s spent their entire lives in our pathetic state foster systems wether they’d prefer to be loved by someone with different views than the majority or continue to be shipped around like cattle? He’ll

  8. Brandon H

    ** Hell, here in NY, if there isn’t a foster home available(which is most of the time), or the child is taken from an abusive home, they are put in the same place as juvenile delinquents. A girl who attended a local school in my district, lost her mother. After that, her father began to beat her, breaking chairs over her face & even punching her through drywall breaking her jaw. Police only interceded once 27 separate reports had been filed, not including the ones the girl tried to file (but was not allowed). When she was finally removed from her home, she was placed in the state-run foster care system till she was 18 (about 2 years) where she bunked in the same room with a girl who was in-and-out for beating her 90 year old grandmother and selling her medicines. If JJ up there wants to preach, there’s a worthy subject. But ask if people like this girls father are allowed to have kids (& this guy has 12 spanning from 13years old to 42years old) then why not a homosexual couple that would bring a child up much better than he ever cared to? If he can’t see that, then I think he may need to contact a doctor and have his head examined. Not only that, but with the level of scrutiny the homosexual community is under due to assholes like our good ol’ boy, JJ, they have been statistically better parents than heterosexual ones. Per capita, in homosexually lead households there are higher grades, better economic stability, less instances of physical, mental, and sexual abuse. The children also, statistically per capita, are more likely to attend 4+ years of college and tend to have higher incomes as well. Ignorance with a loud voice seems to be trending in our country & it’s a sad fact. Bottom line, if someone isn’t hurting, steeling or defrauding anyone, leave them the hell alone and concentrate on people that are. How about we make a law forbidding ignorant morons from having children or getting married? That makes more sense to me than JJ’s eloquent rambling and hatred.

  9. Brandon H

    Oh and “Common Sense” up there. You’re a moron too. You act like exposure to both sexes either A) doesn’t exist in homosexual families, or B) that the simple presence of both a mother and a father will make a better childhood. Both are false both from a statistics standpoint and, as I came from a single parent family, and on of actual experience. Your “common sense” basically states that anyone in a homosexual family of coming from a single-parent family will be either less of a man, or such a naive ditz of a woman that she will be unaware of the dangers of the opposite sex. I can’t tell you how deranged this is. It’s hard to even know where to begin. However, you obviously haven’t processed many thoughts all the way through before, so I’ll see what I can do to help. Just because they are both there, does not mean they will be beneficial. What about lazy fathers who’d rather drink a beer an pass out than spend 5 min with their kids. Or mothers who do the same. Or the parents (either) pressing their child to be so much like them, the football star, the jock, cheerleader, gymnast, thin, more muscular, smarter, etc, that they never bother teaching their children how to be prepared for life, to balance a checkbook, cook and clean for themselves? Then ask yourself if any of those have to do with either A) both male and female parents being present, or B) the gender of the teacher. I’ll agree on one point with a small modification: “The fact that intelligent people ignore (facts) leads me to believe our society is doomed.” You and JJ are shining examples of this and if you have reproduced our only hope is that your children see how biased prejudice is a marker of stupidity as a direct result of time spent with their parents.

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  11. D.E.J

    Ok Brandon H, I wanna ask you something. Why would you actually make a comparison between America being founded to escape religious persecution, and religious folk pushing their ideas on others? It makes no sense. Sure, the original settlers came here to avoid persecution, but did you forget, that the founders of America were highly religious themselves and certainly would disprove of gay marriage/adoption? And, do you not know, that those same settlers, who came to escape persecution, persecuted other religious groups, such as the Shakers? Stop pretending the founders of America and those early settlers, were tolerant, liberal atheists who would proved of anything gay related. No, they were very conservative Christians who persecuted those who were not of the same religion of them. Stop using that idea you have of America as that place that was made to escape from religion, ethics, morality, etc. It was founded to *preserve* religious rights and moral beliefs (even if they were discriminatory in providing that atmosphere). Besides, it seems to me (not sure why, just a wild guess) that you are atheist, if so, why are you whining so much about what J and Common Sense think, when is is all subjective to you? Let them have their opinions; you may say “it’s not scientific”, fine. But you have no logical right to quibble about wether it is morally right or wrong or whatever, because for you it is all necessarily subjective.

  12. D.E.J

    And while I’m at it, why are you putting words into Common Sense’s mouth? He never said that having both a male and female together raising children together is going to, intrinsically, be better for the kids. If he said that I’d jump on the bandwagon with you and say that that is stupid, but he didn’t say that. And he never said that there wouldn’t be exposure to the opposite gender of the child’s parents in a family with same sex parents. It would be ludicrous to say there isn’t, but it is stupid of you to think there is no difference between having a person of the opposite sex of the parents around the child and having that person instead being a parent of that child. A parent will be a far bigger influence than any other person in a child’s early years; you cannot say that the opposite gender person can fulfill the role lacking by not having different-gendered parents. There are plenty of good solid studies to show how a boy without a father is more likely to misbehave, have misdemeanors or the like. The fact is, a women cannot replace properly a man’s role in raising a family, or vice versa. You will be missing out on something if you are without both biological parents to raise you. You say you did good both a single parent? Good on you and you mom. But it doesn’t work out so nicely for everyone, and as nice as things turned out with a single parent for you, or for any other child ( or children) of single parents (or a gay couple for parents) you still have no way of saying that said people would not have done better with both biological parents. (Sure there are abusive or negligent parents, but they are a minority and the exception).

  13. al

    google it:
    “Using a new, “gold standard” data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults, Mr. Regnerus looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional and relationship outcomes.

    He found that, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories.

    Findings such as these do not support claims that there are “no differences” between gay parenting and heterosexual, married parents, said Mr. Regnerus, who helped develop the New Family Structures Study at the university.

    Instead, “children appear most apt to succeed well as adults when they spend their entire childhood with their married mother and father, and especially when the parents remain married to the present day,” he wrote.

    Mr. Regnerus‘ study of 2,988 persons ages 18 to 39 — including 175 adults raised by lesbian mothers and 73 adults raised by gay fathers — marks the first research from the new dataset, which initially included some 15,000 persons.

    The second study, also in Social Science Research, takes a critical look at the basis of an oft-cited American Psychological Association (APA) report on gay parenting.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/10/study-children-fare-better-traditional-mom-dad-fam/

  14. Slow Clapper

    *slow clap for Scott Burrow*

  15. James Riley

    Jean-Jacques Burlamaqui – never enjoyed reading bullshit so much before. Quite a gift for writing! Imagine what you could achieve if your critical reasoning skills were as well developed as your literary ones.

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  17. Al

    Scott Burrow
    Apr 23, 2013 1:42

    Your words are as beautifully written as they are unenlightened, bigoted, and hateful nonsense. It’s obvious the bible is a big influence of yours. It’s a shame that someone educated in today’s world can be so shackled by the imaginations of people who had such a limited understanding of natural laws. I pity you far more than the backwoods rednecks that you mimic because you could have achieved so much more. Religion is a virus. A cancer. I feel sorry for you”

    Perfect example of ad hominem argument . Sorry kid but supporting gays or jumping politically correct bandwagon are not going to make you enlightened .

  18. Laxmiprasad Iyer

    The question here is about rigidity and flexibility. Those who are in opposition to same sex marriages have a rigid and inflexible personality, and no open mind.

  19. D.E.J

    No open mind? What, you want us to have an open mind about something harmful to kids? To society in general? Our minds are very open, but only to what is good.

  20. Jane doe

    Why can’t you just let people live their live how they want to?

  21. Alex

    A lot of people seem to approach this subject with the acceptance that males and females are so fundamentally different; that women cannot perform the roles of men and that men cannot perform the roles of women. This is one remaining bastion of ignorance that people seem to rarely challenge. As science progresses, and renders the biological differences that were once so influential over gender roles increasingly obsolete, we find humanity settling into a more androgynous state, with people adopting roles, activities and attributes previously defined as the sole domain and prerogative of a certain gender. I feel that transgenderism may often be the product of a society that forces individuals to identify with a specific gender, rather than accepting that attributes are not gender-specific (I’m not well-informed on the subject of transgenderism and hope that my comment is not ignorant or offensive to anyone). Societal ideas that divide men and women are the absolute cause of any perceived problems arising from the ‘absence’ of one of the genders in any given situation.

  22. C

    Old topic I know, but in response to Scott, exactly what is wrong with the 10 Commandments? 4 about God, 6 about ourselves and others. Could you imagine what society would be like if everyone lived like this?

    Honestly, it’s a shame that someone educated in today’s world turns their back on God. I feel sorry for you.

    1. You shall have no other gods before me.

    2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

    4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

    5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

    6. You shall not murder.

    7. You shall not commit adultery.

    8. You shall not steal.

    9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.

  23. Reality check

    The effect of this debate is very similar to the effect of a divorce: “adults” argue, point fingers, and play tug-of-war, while children are stuck in the middle. Here’s what’s going to happen: single parents, same-sex parents, and opposite-sex parents are all going to be parents in the future. Things change. Adapt. Cope. Resent. Pray. Whatever. Just STFU so the rest of us, children included, don’t have to suffer through more of this stupidity. Maybe then we (including the commandment-following Christians) can move on to other issues like the 1,000,000,000s of men, women and children in undeveloped countries who are STARVING to death.

    To the first commenter – You don’t speak for “us” and you don’t know shit, except for how to write pretty sentences. Some things about parenting that weren’t included in your lame-ass soliloquy: paying bills, changing diapers, taking care of kids when they’re sick, doing laundry, being there when they make mistakes, watching sports games, watching recitals, making breakfast, packing lunches, making dinner, helping with homework, living through crushes, living through break-ups, living through puberty and a LOOOONNNNGGG list of other mundane tasks. Repeat all of this every day for 18+ years. I can make a similar list about the reality of marriage. You know what else? – those things are more profound than anything you wrote.

    Millions and millions of people throughout history have performed the above duties for their children, and their spouse, out of love. It’s not rocket science. No parent parents perfectly, and the ones who try the hardest end up raising weird bed-wetting kids with anxiety disorders who fastidiously write theses in the comment sections of websites in defense of bigotry.

    “Children are human beings endowed with a natural desire to be procreated from an engendered act of love between a husband and a wife.” Seriously? Seriously fucking weird thing to project onto the mind of a child. Stay away from my children. I hope that none of my children ever think the things that you’re thinking. Hahaha… I’m pretty sure it was three quickies: a camping trip and two boring afternoons. If you’re correct, which I’m sure that you’re not, I would’ve made it more special had I known they were desiring “engendered acts of love.”

    Get a life and stop jerking yourself off with your eloquence. Go paint a outdoor cafe or a vase of flowers. I definitely don’t want YOU making any decisions about parenting in the future, mein Französisch Führer.

    To the commenters about religion and the USA – Separation of church and state. Keep it that way.

    To the commenters about gender roles – Alex, you hit the nail on the head.

    To the commenters about being a role model – Get over your narcissistic selves. Kids don’t pay that much attention. My son wants to be a policeman. Case closed.

    To the commenters about parenting in general – Anyone who has been a parent wants the best future for their child. As a good parent, if any of my children are gay, I still want the best future for them. I would be depressed to learn that any of my children can’t do something that makes them happy, including raising a child of their own, because of who they are.

    To the other idiots stuck in the Dark Ages – my sweet, departed mother-in-law said it best to my kids when they accused her of farting… “Smell your own holes first.”

  24. nathan ducharme

    I was raised by a transexual.. now I have a diaper fetish and the way I was treated by psychiatrists and psychologists was frighting, at that point I thought I was the only person with my fetish later on I realized when I gained internet access that transexuals more often then not have my fetish. to my horror there is no distinguishing the way I have been treated in life from child molestation. The sad fact is majority of internet pervs are pedophiles and Would push for gay rights on child rearing, in my opinion there is no discrepancy and the general lack of concern among normal people is atrocious .

    I can pretty much pin down every scenario where gay people will end up saying and doing the wrong thing in front of children most of the time. The fact that everything is a [expletive deleted] science experiment to them is the most perverse of them all.

    I am only one man and there is no way to stop societies mistreatment of children, in the end the only person who you can trust is yourself, because I have witnessed homosexuals writing books on me explaining how I had some kind of normal upbringing which in my opinion make’s all data worthless.

    and if you don’t believe me your just as perverted and simply do not deserve to have children and in the end the actions of your children will speak for themselves.

    oh yeah.. funny story the guy who was a student at UBC who wrote books on me died of aids.

  25. nathan ducharme

    one more thing, in my opinion gay people were molested, or shown pornographic material at a young age and I know from personal experience most people block those memories out of there mind at a young age and so end up becoming victims of a repetitive phenomena which due to the human condition will definitely end up reflecting on children.

    From what I’ve witnessed, I’ve seen older sisters abusive to younger sisters who later on become lesbians, I’ve seen lesbians raising boy’s where the eldest boy become’s homosexual due to living in the same room with a younger brother, nothing incestuous just the conditioning of certain situations affecting the mind.

    my father was arm wrestled to the ground by his older sister and later in life became inflamed at the idea of being a sub in a relationship which gave birth to a love for transexuals. The truth hurts and our ability to protect youth from provocative scenarios will only decline as our intelligence rises and we become sexually active at younger age’s.

    However if you insist on raising youth I sudgest since you have taken the nothing approach in the all or nothing attitude you simply inform them of there decisions in life wisely and that you stand by your kids in there sexual discovery of themselves because in the end you might be the only people who ever do.

    My current gf is bi sexual, she was raised by lesbians and became a hooker and stripper. Just realize unless you are already rich your children will be at the bottom of the spiritual food chain and will suffer immensely because to this day mankind still and most likely will always rely on spirituality as a staple diet in mental stability. Life is not star trek, it’s not a game and it is not a sexual thrall to be looked at lightly. If mankind has any chance at survival or even a glimpse of a spiritual death they will have to summon more strength within themselves then I currently see as possible.

    And don’t believe for one second that the world does not judge you by your parents actions, majority of the stuff written in the bible has little applicable value unless you join a group supporting the claim.

  26. Lori Zoeller

    You know I have homosexuals in my family and they have 6 adopted children and one is a doctor and he is proud he has two mothers and i never looked down on my family and my aunt chose to live that way and i have learned to accept it for what it is and my cousins have no problems they look at it as if they had heterosexual parents… But say what you want but they get just as much love as any other child being in a homosexual home.

  27. Patrick

    Some of the anti-gay posters here seem to be laboring under the misconception that the more words they write, the more cogent their arguments will be. But as Siegel and his co-authors found in their review of the social science literature on the subject, there’s not much evidence to substantiate the claim that being raised by same-sex parents is harmful to children. To the contrary, most of the research indicates that parents’ sexual orientation does not exert a significant influence upon children’s well-being. The group whose journal published this article isn’t some bunch of fringe activists. The American Academy of Pediatrics is the oldest and biggest organization in its specialty, with 60,000 physician members who treat children.

  28. Maryanne S

    Straight women urged to keep babies they don’t want/can’t provide for, while gay couples denied their dream of raising a family: makes NO SENSE

  29. Landon

    I was raised by a single parent, struggling to make it day by day. I was raised with manners and respect. I’m the most kind hearted person you will proabably ever meet. I dream of starting a family and having a child not as a “pet” but has a human I can nuture and raise to become a fine human like I am. I want to teach my child the rewards of hard work and to not expect anything from someone. They will look back and realize what a good father I was to them. I’m gay, and the lattest comment has made gay people out to be animals. (The majority of gay people are moraless.) But there is gay people like me who are abstinent until married and have the morals and ethics of a ‘good’ heterosexual. (Like me) I’m glad this seigal character has waisted his life doing this because he has proved nothing.

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